[UgaBYTES] Rural communication: Is there still a need for telecentres now that there are mobile phones?

gkwagner at via.at gkwagner at via.at
Wed Nov 19 15:47:38 GMT 2008 

Dear colleagues,

I am luckely not an informaticians but an innovation manager
and information professional (content publishing+research).

As member of the Global Telecenter Association I was pleased
to see so many simple LOW-Tech solutions worldwide which you can
easily adopt within days.

India: each year approx 9 fishermen in a town were killed in the rough
sea since military service did not allow them to carry mobile phones
on the boat and the local weather forecast was bad.
However, 1 guy (for the whole region) started to download FREE
US weather forecast data and announces the predictions for
this particulary area daily on the RADIO.
and the women have the task to communicate it to their husbands.

They same you can do with mobile books and mobile learning
on your cell phone. Not SMS-based, therefore cheap and easy.

***************
you cannot imagine how man millions and billions of EUR
are wasted here in Europe for buying IT for schools and
companies and nobody gets trained how to use it.

There is even a serious and profound debate amongst educational
experts in Europe not to use IT and internet too early.
Baby TV is complete nonsense and even internet should be
started not before the age of 8.

If somebody does not understand the physical world,
he cannot tackle the virtual world.

***************

LOW TECH + innovative approach + focus on Content.
This mix is often more sustainable than an overkill of hi-tech
(greetings to Mr Bush and his failing hitech-approach).

kind regards from Austria,


gerhard

Zitat von mutaasa humphrey <hmbgrace at yahoo.co.uk>:

> The Answer to the question is absolutely YES.
>
> Because; while still with UNIDO, we carried out a needs assessment in nearly
> all the district of Uganda an the use of ICTs including Mobiles and a
> solution was to have telecentres where we could have answers to every ICT
> question. be it computers, Mobiles, Internet, name it.
>
> These telecentres are supposed to be multi-purpose centres where our
> respondents told us that they would be happy and willing to use ICTs if only
> they saw the same aces answer their communiction issues. A mobile having
> come 11 years ago in Uganda we have 5.7Millin mobile phone Subscribers and a
> computer that came 20 years ago we have 150,000 or so PCs in the country. We
> just need to merge the advantages of mobile phone Vs the disadvantages of
> computers and radios/TV as sister ICTs.
>
> People too have to know the difference between Information Technologies and
> Communication technologies, and telecentres should be having capacity to
> handle both technologies.
>
> A very big point to note is: telecentres are  Business Information
> Solutions/Development centres. All the staff there give services like
> Business development advise, Customised Business Information Solutions, ICT
> tailored trainings, etc
>
> So please the Answer is YES.
> have good deliberations
>  Mutaasa B.G. Humphrey
> P.o Box 9816 Kampala
> Uganda East Africa.
> Tel:+256 772321736
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Koda-Traoré, A." <traore at cta.int>
> To: "deanmulozi at yahoo.com" <deanmulozi at yahoo.com>;
> "ugabytes at lists.ugabytes.org" <ugabytes at lists.ugabytes.org>
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> Sent: Wednesday, 19 November, 2008 14:02:26
> Subject: Re: [UgaBYTES] Rural communication: Is there still a need for
> telecentres now that there are mobile phones?
>
> Dear all,
>
> Allow me to quickly drop in the interesting discussions going on. In my
> humble opinion, we are talking about two different things: on one hand a
> tool, extremely useful and more and more used today in Africa (mobile phone)
> and on another hand a set of services, tools and approaches (telecentres).
>
> Telecentres should be seen beyond simple ICT access and I do agree with the
> conclusion drawn by my friend Dean that  "Mobile phones and technologies can
> be and should be part of ICT tools within the telecenter communitities ..."
>
> In other word, yes we need information access point in our villages, we need
> places where our communities can share their experiences and know-how with
> the rest of the world, we need places where our communities can promote their
> products to better access market (local, national and international)...
> Telcentres can contribute significantly to this objectives using whre
> appropriate mobile phones, Internet, radio etc.
>
> Thank you
>
> Koda
> www.kodatraore.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Mulozi [mailto:deanmulozi at yahoo.com]
> Sent: mercredi 19 novembre 2008 10:58
> To: ugabytes at lists.ugabytes.org
> Cc: polly.gaster at uem.mz; deanmulozi at yahoo.com; arun.varma at ilfsets.com;
> chitelegton at yahoo.co.uk; director at dope.org.zm; imtetwa at yahoo.com; 'Justin
> Mupinda'; leemuzala at yahoo.com; sbok at gov.bw; sihlongonyanedu at gov.sz;
> siyatele at workmail.co.za; smazhani at botec.bw; Phosiso Sola; Koda-Traoré, A.;
> mmayanja at idrc.ca; 'Ruud'; chiramwiwa at safire.co.zw; Fa New; Ebrain Ebrain
> Subject: Re: [UgaBYTES] Rural communication: Is there still a need for
> telecentres now that there are mobile phones?
>
> Dear all,
> With collegues from Southern Africa telecenter system, I am sure most of you
> are connected to Ugabytes and this discussion on rural communication: Is
> there still a need for telecentres and this discussion can be helpful for
> information sharing for development purposes: ...............................
>
> There is a need to exhaust the discussion on the need for telecenters to
> interface and with mobile communications. A lot has been said on this
> subject. But I think that more should be done among telecenter managers and
> pratitioners to identify key areas on how mobile phones can be used and
> integrated within the spheres of telecenter communtities.
>
> There was a lot of inputs from the mobile phone enthusiastics around the
> world at the October Mobile Active Conference in Johanneburg but not much on
> the use of mobile phone technolgies with Telecenters.
> See my video clip with Pete Cranston while at Mobile Active Coneference in
> Johanburg...the the links between the two in this video clip:
> http://blip.tv/file/1481364
>
> There are limitations on the use of mobile phones on their own without the
> involvement of telecenters:
>
> 1. Limitations on Cost and type of hand sets to access internet services:
> It is a fact that many of our local users of mobile phones in African
> communtities cannot afford mobile handsets and technologies that access
> internet services such as 3G, GPRS etc. In my on spot survey, I recognise
> that most of the local people use type of handsets such as Nokia 1100 and
> other commonly types Siemens, motorora etc..... as they cannot afford costly
> mobile handsets.
> A need to integrate mobile technologies and telecenter services is important
> as ICT tools within the telecenters can be used to access information
> services through internet connections.
>
> 2. Limitations on the data transfer and text messages
> Commonly used Mobile phones can not transfer large amounts of data from
> mobile to mobile or to PCs. Telecenters can be effectively used with mobile
> phones in data and text tranffer services. Local communitites can benefit
> from this kind of inclusion and value and improve text messaging for
> development within telecenter communitities.
>
> 3. Literacy levels and mobile phones:
> As most of the language used in mobile phones is English and text messages
> used come in the same language, telecenter supevsoiors can play a role to
> support individual mobile users in translations of text messages,
>
> In a nut shell, Mobile phones and technologies can be and should be part of
> ICT tools within the telecenter communitities and can immensely facilitate
> and help support social and economic development in many rural communtities
> in Africa.
>
> ............. thank you
>
>
> Dean Mulozi,
> ZAA-ICT/SATNET Regional Facilitator,
> Private Bag 195x Ridgeway,
> Lusaka,
> Zambia.
>
>
> Mobile:    260 978 034196
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Pete Cranston <pete.cranston at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Pete Cranston <pete.cranston at btinternet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [UgaBYTES] Rural communication: Is there still a
> needfortelecentres now that there are mobile phones?
> > To: ugabytes at lists.ugabytes.org
> > Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 9:17 AM
> > ps: both those interviews were done on a nokia n95, Reuters
> > choice for
> > Mobile Journalism
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/feb/11/digitalmedia.photography
> >
> > >From MobileActive08 SangoNet supported groups of
> > people, students from their
> > citizen journalism programme
> > (http://www.citizenjournalismafrica.org/), in
> > uploading pictures and images direct from phones to the
> > web, over a wifi
> > network. Of course at home I download and edit the videos a
> > little and then
> > upload them. An example, perhaps, of a simple service that
> > telecentres can
> > offer.
> >
> >
> > pete
> >
> >
> > Pete Cranston
> > skype: petecranston
> > mobile: +44 (0)7917 390133
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ugabytes-bounces at lists.ugabytes.org
> > [mailto:ugabytes-bounces at lists.ugabytes.org] On Behalf Of
> > Pete Cranston
> > Sent: 18 November 2008 17:03
> > To: ugabytes at lists.ugabytes.org
> > Subject: Re: [UgaBYTES] Rural communication: Is there still
> > a
> > needfortelecentres now that there are mobile phones?
> >
> > hi
> > Dean Molozi and I were both at MobileActive08. I asked Dean
> > for his ideas on
> > the the links between the two in this video clip:
> > http://blip.tv/file/1481364
> >
> > I agree with what he says, about the intermediary role of
> > telecentres in a
> > mixed ICT economy. Jan Moolman, from SangoNet provides
> > another example in
> > the second half of this video clip about mobiles and
> > knowledge sharing (we
> > were talking about an ICCO project we are both working on):
> > http://blip.tv/file/1377449
> >
> > I think, as with most things, it isn't either or but
> > how both can feed from
> > each other, and that telecentres are well placed to open up
> > new roles that
> > involve mixing the two.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> > Pete Cranston
> > skype: petecranston
> > mobile: +44 (0)7917 390133
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ugabytes-bounces at lists.ugabytes.org
> > [mailto:ugabytes-bounces at lists.ugabytes.org] On Behalf Of
> > Sarah mpagi
> > Sent: 18 November 2008 09:58
> > To: ugabytes at lists.ugabytes.org
> > Subject: Re: [UgaBYTES] Rural communication: Is there still
> > a need
> > fortelecentres now that there are mobile phones?
> >
> > The discussions coming up are very interesting. Some of us
> > who still think
> > that telecentres are still the most convenient spaces
> > people go to to access
> > the services, IT inclusive and those who think that mobile
> > phones are soon
> > swapping away telecentres. However, the spaces provided
> > like Meddie said are
> > very important if those mobile phones are to be used for
> > community
> > development purposes. We would like to know your say on the
> > subject.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Sarah Mpagi
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/18/08, Ahmed Ndaula <andaula at ugabytes.org>
> > wrote:
> > > Absolutely agree with Polly. Telecentres and mobile
> > phones are
> > > complementary. From the experiment I have had over the
> > last couple of
> > > days, if you have got a good phone with 3G for
> > instance Nokia N70, N95
> > > etc, you can have a fair access to the internet
> > similar to the speed
> > > of some internet cafes in the country. This brought me
> > to think that
> > > if mobile phone companies could adopt a fair monthly
> > fee to those
> > > interested just using the normal sim card I think
> > would be great. And
> > > for a telecentre in rural areas with say 3-4 computers
> > this could
> > > somehow help than thinking of a VSAT. I know it's
> > not the best speed
> > > but
> > could work for them.
> > >
> > > Here's what I experimented;
> > >
> > > Have a Nokia N70 using my normal Uganda Telecom sim
> > card connected to
> > > my laptop via a bluetooth adapter, I make a dial up
> > Network and my
> > > laptop gets connected to the internet with a 115kpbs
> > speed. I shared
> > > my connectivity with my friend's laptop via a
> > created Local Area
> > > Network and we are all able to surf the internet very
> > well. It becomes
> > faster in the evenning.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Ahmed
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Polly Gaster
> > <polly.gaster at uem.mz>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yes, in our view telecentres and mobile phones are
> > complementary. For
> > >> instance, at this moment some telecentres that had
> > no connectivity
> > >> are now online via mobile phone modems and
> > infrastructures, for the
> > >> cost of a modem and ordinary pay-as-you-go phone
> > cards - good
> > >> synergy, don't you think?
> > >> Polly
> > >>
> > >> ----
> > >>
> > >> Polly Gaster
> > >> TICs para Desenvolvimento/ICT4D
> > >> Centro de Informatica da Universidade Eduardo
> > Mondlane (CIUEM) Campus
> > >> Universitario, Maputo, Mozambique
> > >> e-mail: polly.gaster at uem.mz
> > >> cel: +258-82-3264540
> > >> tel/fax: +258-21-485779
> > >> Skype: polly_gaster
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >
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